Comments on: Home birth advocate’s baby dies during free birth, prompts questions http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/04/30/home-birth-advocate-janet-frasers-baby-dies-during-free-birth/ Just another mama musing about her kids, Attachment Parenting, green living, activism, living with an anxiety disorder, and life in general Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:32:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: justn http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/04/30/home-birth-advocate-janet-frasers-baby-dies-during-free-birth/comment-page-2/#comment-29388 justn Wed, 02 Nov 2011 00:38:24 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=2560#comment-29388 omg. do your own research, people. why, why, why, why, why do the vast majority of women (and men) just regurgitate what has been culturally and commercially programmed into their minds without even hinting at the necessity of evidence? why not do some research on infant mortality rates? on home-birthing, and for that matter, unassisted birthing? on the reasons, actual provable reasons, why babies/mothers die in childbirth, and why it happened in the past? Molly says: "Babies die in hospitals all the time? Seriously? I’m sorry, but how likely are healthy babies to die in a hospital and how likely are healthy babies going to die during a homebirth?" don't be sorry molly, just look it up. i was expecting more out of treehuggers.. read some ina may gaskin for god's sake! let's not open our brainwashed mouths before doing the research, or you'll be advocating without a clue as to what is actually safest. when it comes to childbirth, that's simply a disgusting level of ethical irresponsibility. "many western doctors hold the belief that we can improve everything, even natural childbirth in a healthy woman. this philosophy is the philosophy of people who think it deplorable that they were not consulted at the creation of eve, because they would have done a better job." -kloosterman 1994 omg.
do your own research, people.

why, why, why, why, why do the vast majority of women (and men) just regurgitate what has been culturally and commercially programmed into their minds without even hinting at the necessity of evidence?

why not do some research on infant mortality rates? on home-birthing, and for that matter, unassisted birthing? on the reasons, actual provable reasons, why babies/mothers die in childbirth, and why it happened in the past?

Molly says:
“Babies die in hospitals all the time? Seriously? I’m sorry, but how likely are healthy babies to die in a hospital and how likely are healthy babies going to die during a homebirth?”

don’t be sorry molly, just look it up.

i was expecting more out of treehuggers.. read some ina may gaskin for god’s sake! let’s not open our brainwashed mouths before doing the research, or you’ll be advocating without a clue as to what is actually safest. when it comes to childbirth, that’s simply a disgusting level of ethical irresponsibility.

“many western doctors hold the belief that we can improve everything, even natural childbirth in a healthy woman. this philosophy is the philosophy of people who think it deplorable that they were not consulted at the creation of eve, because they would have done a better job.”

-kloosterman 1994

]]> By: Molly http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/04/30/home-birth-advocate-janet-frasers-baby-dies-during-free-birth/comment-page-2/#comment-28485 Molly Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:39:16 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=2560#comment-28485 Babies die in hospitals all the time? Seriously? I'm sorry, but how likely are healthy babies to die in a hospital and how likely are healthy babies going to die during a homebirth. Use your critical thinking skills, please. You are making advocates of women choosing to birth however they please (within reason) stupid. Stop it. Babies die in hospitals all the time? Seriously? I’m sorry, but how likely are healthy babies to die in a hospital and how likely are healthy babies going to die during a homebirth.

Use your critical thinking skills, please. You are making advocates of women choosing to birth however they please (within reason) stupid. Stop it.

]]> By: KDuffey http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/04/30/home-birth-advocate-janet-frasers-baby-dies-during-free-birth/comment-page-2/#comment-28460 KDuffey Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:59:34 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=2560#comment-28460 I just sat down and read this entire article and all the comments that followed,I'm not here to attack anyone for their own decisions,or beliefs no matter how ignorant.I understand that research on childbirth can only be done so far back,but the truth is,women have been growing their babies without medical help and delievering them as well for. millions of years,its the single most natural act in the world. There are many complications that have presented through the years in accordance with the erra, to which is no fault of the mother butbthe conditions in which she lived,there are far more diseases and illness's these days than ever before,far more reasons for a women to most deffinatly seek medical help for her birth, to ensure her and her baby' s health,but that defiantly does not include all women,none of us havebthe same problems or complications. I myself have cystic fibrosis,I am relatively healthy,I take good care of myself,and although I would love nothing more than to have a totally free birth with just my husband and I,i will atleast have a midwife present in my home birth,which is supoorted by my doctors and the majority of my friends and family,but mind you,the midwife will be there for caution side only,I will be delievering my child myself,with no help from anyone besides my husband,none will touch my child or take him away,he won't get measured and his foot prints on a piece of paper,and he wont get suctioned out,seeing is how giving birth naturally squeezes the fluids from my childs lungs,my child won't be made to.cry as long as he is breathing,there is no reason to upset a calm baby,having a child is built in to my dna,as if i was born for that moment,my body will know exactly what to do,if fir any reason I should need my midwife,she will be there at my.ready. women have the strength,we all to. Often underestimate our bodies and our abilities,its time for an old practice to be new again. I just sat down and read this entire article and all the comments that followed,I’m not here to attack anyone for their own decisions,or beliefs no matter how ignorant.I understand that research on childbirth can only be done so far back,but the truth is,women have been growing their babies without medical help and delievering them as well for. millions of years,its the single most natural act in the world. There are many complications that have presented through the years in accordance with the erra, to which is no fault of the mother butbthe conditions in which she lived,there are far more diseases and illness’s these days than ever before,far more reasons for a women to most deffinatly seek medical help for her birth, to ensure her and her baby’ s health,but that defiantly does not include all women,none of us havebthe same problems or complications. I myself have cystic fibrosis,I am relatively healthy,I take good care of myself,and although I would love nothing more than to have a totally free birth with just my husband and I,i will atleast have a midwife present in my home birth,which is supoorted by my doctors and the majority of my friends and family,but mind you,the midwife will be there for caution side only,I will be delievering my child myself,with no help from anyone besides my husband,none will touch my child or take him away,he won’t get measured and his foot prints on a piece of paper,and he wont get suctioned out,seeing is how giving birth naturally squeezes the fluids from my childs lungs,my child won’t be made to.cry as long as he is breathing,there is no reason to upset a calm baby,having a child is built in to my dna,as if i was born for that moment,my body will know exactly what to do,if fir any reason I should need my midwife,she will be there at my.ready. women have the strength,we all to. Often underestimate our bodies and our abilities,its time for an old practice to be new again.

]]> By: CarmenRW http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/04/30/home-birth-advocate-janet-frasers-baby-dies-during-free-birth/comment-page-2/#comment-28361 CarmenRW Tue, 05 Jul 2011 21:43:16 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=2560#comment-28361 Aborigine women in the amazon go through a "free birth," whether they are 15 or 30, but, never l100% alone, it is somewhat assisted. Even though the birthing mother is left alone, literally, to birth on a hammock, the elder women keep an eye on her from afar, considering the fact that something could go wrong and they can quickly run to assist the birthing mother if help is needed. Why would anyone want to birth alone knowing the something could happen?!? Even aborigines are well aware of this. I'm a mother of 2 an I've tried natural birthing with a DOULA -although I ended both times cesarean -one girl turned and got stuck and the other never went unto labor- my pregnancies were 23 mos apart and I was scared the second time around, even though I had chosen once again to try natural, my body had given me signs and the second girl had the cord wrapped 3 times around her neck, which could have caused some trouble during delivery or maybe not. I do believe we can all try and get the desired birth but we are just all different. What works for one, doesn't work for another. I hope this lady doesn't attempt a second time around and let this be a learnt experience. Aborigine women in the amazon go through a “free birth,” whether they are 15 or 30, but, never l100% alone, it is somewhat assisted. Even though the birthing mother is left alone, literally, to birth on a hammock, the elder women keep an eye on her from afar, considering the fact that something could go wrong and they can quickly run to assist the birthing mother if help is needed. Why would anyone want to birth alone knowing the something could happen?!? Even aborigines are well aware of this.
I’m a mother of 2 an I’ve tried natural birthing with a DOULA -although I ended both times cesarean -one girl turned and got stuck and the other never went unto labor- my pregnancies were 23 mos apart and I was scared the second time around, even though I had chosen once again to try natural, my body had given me signs and the second girl had the cord wrapped 3 times around her neck, which could have caused some trouble during delivery or maybe not. I do believe we can all try and get the desired birth but we are just all different. What works for one, doesn’t work for another. I hope this lady doesn’t attempt a second time around and let this be a learnt experience.

]]> By: jessy http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/04/30/home-birth-advocate-janet-frasers-baby-dies-during-free-birth/comment-page-2/#comment-26849 jessy Sat, 30 Apr 2011 22:48:08 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=2560#comment-26849 I had a unassisted childbirth, 2 hours from the nearest hospital, our birth was and remains the most powerful experiences of our lives. My pregnancy was truly about preparation and none of the nursery walls were painted before he was born:-) Giving birth and how we choose to do it is one of the last birthrights that remain in our control. The possibility of death is something that every woman who has a unassisted childbirth has to think about and come to terms with. What happens is fully her responsibility and thats why women choose freebirth because they want to be completely responsible for their birth. The issue of safety in childbirth...if you can presume a hospital is more safe than your own body, well you should have your baby in the hospital and always stay close by. Being at home without a doctor was the safest place for me to have my son We are so removed from the natural order we forget that death is not an ugly thing and things have a divine order. Janet did the right thing because their is no wrong in this instance, its her life, her baby, her karma. We could commend people who choose to take responsibility for their well being and life, rather than blame and put ourselves in a disempowered situation. We could remember Birth is magical and the science is only a linear way of comprehending the most miraculous things in this existence. There is a lot to learn before embarking on a unassisted birth, most importantly a lot to learn about yourself. It is a journey. May Janet heal and put her baby to rest with Love and honor, the miracle of life remains a miracle. May her heart expand and may she receive another opportunity to give life. I had a unassisted childbirth, 2 hours from the nearest hospital, our birth was and remains the most powerful experiences of our lives. My pregnancy was truly about preparation and none of the nursery walls were painted before he was born:-) Giving birth and how we choose to do it is one of the last birthrights that remain in our control.
The possibility of death is something that every woman who has a unassisted childbirth has to think about and come to terms with. What happens is fully her responsibility and thats why women choose freebirth because they want to be completely responsible for their birth.
The issue of safety in childbirth…if you can presume a hospital is more safe than your own body, well you should have your baby in the hospital and always stay close by. Being at home without a doctor was the safest place for me to have my son
We are so removed from the natural order we forget that death is not an ugly thing and things have a divine order. Janet did the right thing because their is no wrong in this instance, its her life, her baby, her karma. We could commend people who choose to take responsibility for their well being and life, rather than blame and put ourselves in a disempowered situation. We could remember Birth is magical and the science is only a linear way of comprehending the most miraculous things in this existence. There is a lot to learn before embarking on a unassisted birth, most importantly a lot to learn about yourself. It is a journey. May Janet heal and put her baby to rest with Love and honor, the miracle of life remains a miracle. May her heart expand and may she receive another opportunity to give life.

]]> By: Cari http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/04/30/home-birth-advocate-janet-frasers-baby-dies-during-free-birth/comment-page-2/#comment-26620 Cari Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:27:07 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=2560#comment-26620 I am a mom who has had two c-sections. My last section was an HBAC turned CBAC after 67 hours of labor. In my state, NH, it is nearly impossible to find an OB who will support you in even a TOL. It is also illegal for a CPM or CNM to attend a HBA2C. There is only one hospital in my state that allows VBA2C. It is over 1.5 hours away. My only options are to lie to an OB and say I will have an RCS and show up pushing. Or have an unassisted birth. While I would rather show up pushing than to go unassisted, I will go unassisted if I have to. I am already certified in neo-natal resuscitation. I am a doula, I have supporeted enough births to know what is "normal" and what is not. If something were to go wrong, I live literally next to a hospital {that has a vbac ban}. I would never put my life or my child's life at risk, which includes signing up for another unnecessary c-section. I am a mom who has had two c-sections. My last section was an HBAC turned CBAC after 67 hours of labor. In my state, NH, it is nearly impossible to find an OB who will support you in even a TOL. It is also illegal for a CPM or CNM to attend a HBA2C. There is only one hospital in my state that allows VBA2C. It is over 1.5 hours away. My only options are to lie to an OB and say I will have an RCS and show up pushing. Or have an unassisted birth. While I would rather show up pushing than to go unassisted, I will go unassisted if I have to. I am already certified in neo-natal resuscitation. I am a doula, I have supporeted enough births to know what is “normal” and what is not. If something were to go wrong, I live literally next to a hospital {that has a vbac ban}. I would never put my life or my child’s life at risk, which includes signing up for another unnecessary c-section.

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