Comments on: Birth plan? Doula? Natural birth? Not here you don’t. http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/10/30/birth-plan-doula-natural-birth-not-here-you-dont/ Just another mama musing about her kids, Attachment Parenting, green living, activism, living with an anxiety disorder, and life in general Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:32:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Anastasia @ Eco-Babyz http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/10/30/birth-plan-doula-natural-birth-not-here-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-28806 Anastasia @ Eco-Babyz Sun, 09 Oct 2011 06:40:45 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=3334#comment-28806 Wow, that's a pretty chocking sign! Wow, that’s a pretty chocking sign!

]]> By: Birth Plan Backlash « erin ellis, homebirth midwife http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/10/30/birth-plan-doula-natural-birth-not-here-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-24449 Birth Plan Backlash « erin ellis, homebirth midwife Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:45:23 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=3334#comment-24449 [...] The Feminist Breeder wrote a piece on the issue a few days ago, as well as The Unnecesarean and Crunchy Domestic Goddess. The following is an excerpt from an OB birth plan that was given to a pregnant nursing student [...] [...] The Feminist Breeder wrote a piece on the issue a few days ago, as well as The Unnecesarean and Crunchy Domestic Goddess. The following is an excerpt from an OB birth plan that was given to a pregnant nursing student [...]

]]> By: Dr.Chandra Crisp http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/10/30/birth-plan-doula-natural-birth-not-here-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-24363 Dr.Chandra Crisp Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:09:01 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=3334#comment-24363 This is a very interesting post and at first, stirs up many emotions, maily anger. But on the other side of this, I have worked with a lot of OB/GYN's in DFW and most of all the one thing I respect most is the ones who are upfront about their position and their comfort level. One OB in particular referred to himself as a c-section junky. but if you had gone thru what he did a few years ago you might enjoy the ability to control the outcome as much as he does. We are all ultimately human and even as doulas it only takes one really bad experience for us to decide whether or not we like a doctor or midwife. Maybe these doctors had just that a patient that would not budge on her plan and a doula that overstepped her bounds and resulted in the worst imaginable experience for the doctor--the death of the baby. I know we never really like to think about those things but the events in our lives shape us. This sign allows women to see that this doctor is no longer comfortable working in this manner and will refer them out!! I think that may say something positive about the doctor. They don't care about the money, if they did they would not be this upfront and would control the birth at the end and disregard all of moms wishes when she was most vulnerable. You have to worry about the ones that aren't up front!!! This is a very interesting post and at first, stirs up many emotions, maily anger. But on the other side of this, I have worked with a lot of OB/GYN’s in DFW and most of all the one thing I respect most is the ones who are upfront about their position and their comfort level. One OB in particular referred to himself as a c-section junky. but if you had gone thru what he did a few years ago you might enjoy the ability to control the outcome as much as he does. We are all ultimately human and even as doulas it only takes one really bad experience for us to decide whether or not we like a doctor or midwife. Maybe these doctors had just that a patient that would not budge on her plan and a doula that overstepped her bounds and resulted in the worst imaginable experience for the doctor–the death of the baby. I know we never really like to think about those things but the events in our lives shape us. This sign allows women to see that this doctor is no longer comfortable working in this manner and will refer them out!! I think that may say something positive about the doctor. They don’t care about the money, if they did they would not be this upfront and would control the birth at the end and disregard all of moms wishes when she was most vulnerable. You have to worry about the ones that aren’t up front!!!

]]> By: Melissa http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/10/30/birth-plan-doula-natural-birth-not-here-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-23619 Melissa Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:39:54 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=3334#comment-23619 I disagree with the sign... but I don't necessarily agree with you either. The whole point of birth is to have a healthy baby. I wonder...for homebirths where the baby (god-fobid) died, or the baby is brain damaged, what percentage of those women choose to do a homebirth again? And I'm not saying that a homebirth isn't safe... But accidents happen in any situation. I'm just saying that the whole point of giving birth is to (prayerfully) have a healthy baby!!!! -->Miriam adds, “They should change the name of the center to the ‘Unborn Children Center’ since they don’t seem to care too much about the women involved.” As a mother, I would give my life for my baby in a heart beat, and I would WANT my birth center to have my baby's best interest at heart! If there had to be a choice in the birth of my child whether I or my baby lived...I would choose my BABY! I disagree with the sign… but I don’t necessarily agree with you either. The whole point of birth is to have a healthy baby.

I wonder…for homebirths where the baby (god-fobid) died, or the baby is brain damaged, what percentage of those women choose to do a homebirth again? And I’m not saying that a homebirth isn’t safe… But accidents happen in any situation. I’m just saying that the whole point of giving birth is to (prayerfully) have a healthy baby!!!!

–>Miriam adds, “They should change the name of the center to the ‘Unborn Children Center’ since they don’t seem to care too much about the women involved.”

As a mother, I would give my life for my baby in a heart beat, and I would WANT my birth center to have my baby’s best interest at heart! If there had to be a choice in the birth of my child whether I or my baby lived…I would choose my BABY!

]]> By: mickelle http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/10/30/birth-plan-doula-natural-birth-not-here-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-23575 mickelle Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:41:03 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=3334#comment-23575 YUP! As a former patient of Aspen Women's Center, I would have to say you nailed it. Dr. Judd was my physician, and I couldn't be more glad to be done with him. We're now seeing a group of wonderful midwives about 15 miles further away, but the relief is always worth the drive. As a sidenote, when I had a missed abortion (miscarriage without bleeding), they made it clear that I could either "wait it out" or have a D&C, with a heavy emphasis on the D&C being the better choice. It wasn't until I had a friend who miscarried under the care of midwives that I learned about drugs that could start the bleeding for me in a matter of hours. I've never felt more betrayed in my life -- especially at a time when I was so very vulnerable. YUP! As a former patient of Aspen Women’s Center, I would have to say you nailed it. Dr. Judd was my physician, and I couldn’t be more glad to be done with him. We’re now seeing a group of wonderful midwives about 15 miles further away, but the relief is always worth the drive.

As a sidenote, when I had a missed abortion (miscarriage without bleeding), they made it clear that I could either “wait it out” or have a D&C, with a heavy emphasis on the D&C being the better choice. It wasn’t until I had a friend who miscarried under the care of midwives that I learned about drugs that could start the bleeding for me in a matter of hours. I’ve never felt more betrayed in my life — especially at a time when I was so very vulnerable.

]]> By: Jen http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/2009/10/30/birth-plan-doula-natural-birth-not-here-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-22010 Jen Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:53:20 +0000 http://crunchydomesticgoddess.com/?p=3334#comment-22010 Danika, When you say interventions are more likely to get them sued, that's not exactly right. Often interventions are used as a way to avoid being sued. If you use a number of interventions, especially ending in a C-section, you can easily stand up in court and say you did everything possible for mother and baby. Letting a mother birth naturally runs the risk of having it painted as you standing back and doing nothing while something bad happened in the case of a malpractice suit. It's not a good thing, but it is a powerful motivator for doctors to intervene wherever possible. Danika,
When you say interventions are more likely to get them sued, that’s not exactly right. Often interventions are used as a way to avoid being sued. If you use a number of interventions, especially ending in a C-section, you can easily stand up in court and say you did everything possible for mother and baby. Letting a mother birth naturally runs the risk of having it painted as you standing back and doing nothing while something bad happened in the case of a malpractice suit. It’s not a good thing, but it is a powerful motivator for doctors to intervene wherever possible.

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